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We Can be Anti-War and Pro-troop.

Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 01:54:56 PM PDT

That is if we want to be. First, let’s address the fallacy of the argument.  Of course you can be pro-troop and anti-war. You can be anything you’d like to be.  As a matter of fact, I’m anti-cold but pro-ice cream; anti-snoring but pro-sleep; and even anti-Sting but pro-The Police.  To argue that any of these two ideas are mutually exclusive is just as ignorant and ridiculous as arguing that one cannot be anti-war and pro-troop.

Second, do we really want to be anti-war?  I’m sure it’s safe for me to assume that we all here are against the war and occupation in Iraq, but here’s the rub: that is a stupid war that we should not be involved in.  There is a difference between being anti-war and anti-stupid war.  Like it or not, in the history of our nation our freedom and way of life has come under attack on multiple occasions.  It’s more than likely will happen again one day, even if that day is decades or centuries from now.  When another nation seeks to deprive us of those inalienable rights, we need a standing military in order to protect them.

That’s what I and my brothers and sisters in arms signed up to do. To support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.  We do this with a sacred yet unspoken promise from our civilian leadership, and that promise is this:  We will volunteer to die for our country, if they promise to not send us to die over something not worth dying for.  They don’t always hold their end of the bargain. But we go, because it is our duty. And to not go would mean my friends who are more to me than blood will not have me by their side, watching their back in combat. To not go would mean that the Soldiers I lead, that I have been trusted by their parents, spouses, friends and other loved ones to lead them out of harm, would have to fight without my leadership.  For a friend or a subordinate to be hurt when I was not there to protect them, but could have been, would pretty much render me suicidal.

Some may think that when you get an order to go to war, a guy in a banana republic uniform comes out and says "WHO WANTS TO KILL?!?!"’ That's not how it works. It’s really mundane actually.  The rumor mill churns for a few months. "Are we going or aren’t we?"  Soldier’s talk about how much they don’t want to go, and what they are going to do to get out of it.  Then the order comes down in the form of a memorandum with a by name list of every guy in the unit.  One guy doesn’t want to get out of it. He wants to go so someone else somewhere else doesn’t have to. The majority of the rest will go because they don’t want their buddy to go by himself.  Some will smoke pot or go AWOL to avoid it. And they are cowards, because while they will be sitting on their couch watching Wheel of Fortune, their friends will be getting shot at.  When you are on the ground, combat isn’t about killing the enemy.  It’s about keeping the enemy from killing you and your buddy. It’s survival.  To argue that a Soldier is wrong for fighting is no different than arguing that you would not defend your family if someone threatened them. Of course you would, and that is why we fight.

Yeah, some Soldier’s do some fucked up things. Those that do deserve whatever comes to them. Throw them in the brig and throw away the key, I say. And when they die let them burn in hell upon the fire of a thousand suns for tarnishing the good and moral image of the American Soldier. But I know I for one will not commit acts that will be a violation of my conscience.  And I will be here to train my Soldiers to do the same. I will be here because I took that oath.

So don’t support the troops if you don’t feel like it.  With or without your support, I’ll be here if our freedoms become challenged by an enemy; foreign or domestic.  I’ll be here doing what is right, and making sure my Soldiers do the same. I’ll be here, being pro-troop and anti-stupid war.

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  •  As we've sadly learned (10+ / 0-)

    the inverse has been proven too often, that you can be pro-war and anti-troop.

    Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

    by Eiron on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 01:58:33 PM PDT

  •  Honorable Soldiers (11+ / 0-)

    Are the most anti-war people in the world.  Nobody knows better than they do that war is the worst possible way of solving anything.  Unfortunately, sometimes we need you, and as such, I thank you for your service.

  •  I Live In A Military Community (8+ / 0-)

    and the only people I know that say things like our men and women will lose their honor if they don't complete their "job" are the chicken hawks on TV. Period. End of conversation.

    •  The same fallacious thinking (4+ / 0-)

      .. leads degenerate gamblers to double down until their house is gone and their family is on the streets.

      I'm a veteran, and there's no honor in fighting the wrong war, and even less in fighting an unjust occupation.  There's only senseless brutality, death and waste.

      i am jack's complete lack of surprise -- fight club

      by bustacap on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:12:34 PM PDT

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      •  degenerate thinking? (2+ / 0-)

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        BlackSheep1, llbear

        being there to help when your friends are getting shot that is not the same as doubling down at the casino.

        And if you think this is about honor, you are missing the point.

        VetVoice.com, The Voice of America's 21st Century Patriots.

        by RockRichard on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:49:25 PM PDT

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        •  I was replying to webranding's comment (2+ / 0-)

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          ... regarding the chickenhawk commentators on TV harping about how not "finishing the job" would make soldiers lose their honor.  That idiocy is very akin to throwing good money after bad (like a gambling addict) or throwing more lives into the meatgrinder that is Iraq (like a war addict).

          The best way we can support the troops is to get them the hell out as quickly as we practically can, so that as few of them as possible are killed or maimed (physically of psychologically) as further justification for the thousands that have already been killed or maimed.

          i am jack's complete lack of surprise -- fight club

          by bustacap on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 04:14:27 PM PDT

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  •  Thank you! (2+ / 0-)

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    BlackSheep1, llbear

    Great response to the diary that popped up earlier this afternoon!

    Don't believe everything you think.

    by EJP in Maine on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:37:31 PM PDT

  •  An American Soldier (0+ / 0-)

    I graduated from a small, wealthy community.  Only one person from my graduating class joined the military, in his case the Marines.  Out of 112 of us, he was the best.  The most honest, the most honorable.  He told me about an experience he had in Iraq.  His squad (or whatever it's called, I'm a chemist, not a soldier) was sweeping a building.  My friend (the CO) was talking to the de facto leader of this apartment complex.  This chap was understandably upset; after all, foreign dudes were ransacking his apartment building.  But then my friend said something that changed everything: "Please, tell any Ali Babas you know (one local term for insurgents) to attack us quickly.  That way we can kill them and get back to our real work, rebuilding your country."  The Iraqi chap was astonished.  He grasped my friend's hand with the greatest warmth and thanked him.  You see, my buddy really wants to help Iraqis achieve freedom and prosperity.  As do many of his fellow soldiers.  As long as my friend is in the military, I will believe in its honor.  My buddy's yearbook quote senior year was this: "Anyone can fight their own battles, it takes a truly great man to fight someone else's battles."

  •  As I get older (0+ / 0-)

    When I reflect upon Desert Storm-The Prequel , I think of the heartbreak I felt when I discovered the Crown Prince Of Kuwait DAUGHTER gave the speech that inspired me the most.
    I recall wanting to save women and children, especially kids in incubators.  Those lies are never spoken of, and those lies hurt me deeply. The reason those lies take a back seat is bombings in the '90's look a bit more criminal than many would like to admit to.
    Coming under attack?
    OK, WW1? Exactly how were we attacked? VietNam? Korea? The Falklands? Christ, even the Civil War could have been avoided.
    WW2, we were attacked. Since then we have gone as far as sponsoring genocide(see  the Ronnie Years) and terrorism (Freedom Fighters aka contras).
    As I review history we have done more to attack others way of life far more than we have been attacked . We have even negotiated hostages to be held longer for election victories.
    As I look at my ancestry and our commitment to the armed services I hope in my heart it ends with me.  I will preach anti war to my son, because all war is stupid, had we helped Spain WW2 would have never happened-George Orwell discusses that best.
    Throughout history my family has been lied to ,to further a way of life-a way of life for the few. A way of life we have never seen and as this country has become corporatized we will more than likely never see.

    Once the world is separated in 4 or maybe 5 countries I hope that I have instilled in my family a value they understand-all war is stupid, and we don't even stand for the values we are supposedly fighting for. We fight for one corporate flag under one corporate god for the wealth of a few.

    I hope my son will listen-I would hate to have him get to my age and feel betrayed, like I do

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